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Do you know anyone who left ? I mean: for good?

If so, how is he/she going? Dying alone in a digital desert? Receiving threats for snobbing The Rest of Us?

I'm seriously considering freeing myself from it.

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@bzg we used Slack at my last employer. At my current one, we started using Teams just a few months ago. I've been a longtime IRC user though, so i never see these things as anything more than fancier IRC networks.

@coldacid @bzg Isn't use of Slack dictated by project managers and not subordinate project members? Other than bitching and moaning, I don't see how a regular employee could refuse to use Slack unless it's a dysfunctional organization.

My company doesn't use Slack. We use Skypeforbusiness text messaging for most things that were phone calls 25 years ago. Project communication is all in asynchronous issue trackers and wikis.

@coldacid @bzg

Unfortunately.
We.
Use.
JIRA.
which is painfully slow and anti-interactive.

@progo @bzg having used JIRA for project tickets in the past, I know your pain. What a shitshow.

@coldacid @bzg and bloody Skypeforbusiness keeps me firmly stuck in Windows as my primary OS, along with a few other Enterprise IT lock-in problems.

@coldacid @bzg live conversations, in my company, are NOT documentation and record. The only exception is when someone says "I'm saving this, okay?" and then cleans it up, adds a summary, and drops it in a wiki page.

That seems to be the core problem with how people use Slack; they pretend you don't need to summarize and document things.

@progo

> I don't see how a regular employee could refuse to use #Slack

By signing up you are creating a #contract between them and you. Assuming that you live in a country where freedom of association is a protected right (any liberal #democracy), your employer cannot demand that you enter into an agreement with a random third party. All the more so if they don't even provide #liability coverage.

@coldacid @bzg

@progo @coldacid @bzg

Not using that kind of siloed crap is easier than you think. Just do it.

@0 @coldacid @bzg Good luck with that. Most employers aren't compelled to continue the employment of someone that doesn't get along with them.

@progo

There's getting along and there's being someone's whipping boy.

If you are afraid of your employer then your problems are rather more fundamental.

@coldacid @bzg

@0 @coldacid @bzg We all understand that.

I thought it would be understood when I said "the project manager dictates whether or not you use Slack" that there are caveats: You might persuade them otherwise, or you might quit if the situation is intolerable and you have no common ground.

@progo

> We all understand that.

That's not the impression I'm getting.

@coldacid @bzg

@bzg I did.

To be honest, it's inconvenient for others, but they managed.

It's no different than leaving Facebook or Twitter or any other social network. People will call/email more, and only when they REALLY need you.

@Bishop Thanks for sharing this experience, it gives me hope.

@bzg almost in my case, current alternative: keybase

@bzg I'm really fed up of it. Once you have more than 5/6 Slack teams there's no sensible way of following them consistently and either I end up ignoring them all for weeks on end or get stuck in a dopamine loop checking them one-by-one for new messages.

@bzg depends on what you work on.

Major OSS projects are slowly transitioning to Matrix and Slack isn’t as widespread as in the rest of the corporate world

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